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The NASCAR rule is superseded by the local track rule in the case of a conflict.



the interpretation of this rule as I was told, take the initial green and complete one circuit around the track. it does not matter what color flag is waving when you complete the lap. it would not matter if the scoreboard displayed one less lap than advertised distance. that's how it was explained to me at 2am.

the NASCAR rule sounds to me like you need to complete a scored lap.



I'll agree with you on this one.

I'm not sure why the guys in the 21 would be upset, the 88 beat them. everyone in the place knew what was going to happen at the first caution.

phsically couldn't drive the car, & was a danger to himself & others. along with the "mental" state of the catering company/manure field ill use the word loosely "race director" & or owner to allow it to happen. see what kind of b/s happens this week w/a mandatory/debris caution. imagine if "dmv" was still at the track or if "nazicar" would allow him to "pace" the field

I was told the same thing as Gino when asking for clarity so my upcoming video about the SK race is accurate. Was additionally told that the driver swap in itself was legal, but the timing of when they did it is what cost Keith the chance to get credited with the points/win.

Disagree w/ Warren - the NASCAR and Speedbowl rules are not the same. NASCAR says "scored" lap, Speedbowl's does not and that's the makes them completely different.

Regardless, i just have to say this is A STUPID FREAKIN' RULE!! I don't care what the rules are, it's just common sense. I was there in the stands watching with my own 2 eyes and Keith Rocco didn't win that race because he wasn't driving his car, Doug Coby was. Coby passed all the cars, Coby took the lead from Kyle James and Coby crossed the line first under the checkereds. IMO the correct person rec'd credit for the win since Coby actually drove the car. Rocco had a smart plan to take advantage of a bad rule, but it got all F'ed up in bad communication and lack of knowledge of the exact & correct interpretation of the rule in question.... oh well

It just seems silly to argue (not necessarily here but all over the internet) why a guy who didn't drive in a race should have rec'd credit for a win he didn't earn... which is why it's a dumb rule.

No ones arguing anything, it's just a debate of how rules will be used in the future. If the track says Coby wins, Coby wins.

It has nothing to do with yellow flags, green flags or whatever. Either if you want a lap off the board, a lap completed under yellow, whatever, it's clear he did not complete the lap either way by Speedbowl standards.

Both sets of rules are the same.

Nascar: Driver changes will not be permitted from the start of pace laps until after the car completes its first scored lap.

Speedbowl: Driver changes are permitted after the completion of the initial green flag lap only.

By both rules you are not allowed to switch drivers until you have completed a lap. Again, he did not complete the lap. The way the Speedbowl rule is written may be taken both ways.

The issue with this is the way the judgement of the rule is enforced this time. Will this also allow driver A that wrecks in turn two on the initial green to drive straight to the pit area and have driver B that didn't wreck do the same. Driver A then gets into driver B's car, completes the first lap and get's the credit for the race? If they both do not cross the line neither of them have "started" and this would be completely legal I guess.

The above rules are in place to stop this. You have to complete a lap to switch drivers. It locks the field in.

I'm also not sure why they require a driver to run the heat race to be able to start the feature. One did, one didn't.

Like I said, not necessarily on this site, but I've heard the arguing... just in general both online and off since Saturday about who should have been credited with win.

Still disagree - the rules are different in the sense that... let's say Rocco did take that trip around the track before pitting, he would have been legal per Speedbowl rules for a driver swap, but not per NASCAR rules as you listed them since the first "scored" lap hadn't been completed yet. Irrelevant for this instance since he pitted immediately, but the rules are different as to when a driver swap is permitted. You wanna read the Speedbowl rule as the same even though it omits "scored" in its definition, knock yourself out. I don't share the same interpretation...

Your other scenarios are to confusing for me... I'll let someone else chime in~

I know exactly what you are saying. We're are on two slightly different points though.

I'm thinking whoever wrote the rule for the speedbowl really didn't use the correct wording ior enough detail.

"Driver changes are permitted after the completion of the initial green flag lap only. The points and money will be awarded to the driver that completes the initial green flag lap."

Now, driver changes are permitted after the completion of the green flag lap only? Does that mean the field completes the lap or the driver/car completes the lap?

If it's the field completing the lap, what happened is 100% correct. If it's the car that needs to complete the lap the car should not have been allowed back on the track with a different driver until it completed it's lap.

The idea of the completed lap stops what I said earlier.

Let's say we bring two cars to the track this week. On the initial green there is a wreck in one and the caution is out. We rip the RF off. We drive straight to the pit area and so does our back up car. The driver then gets into the the back up car and starts the race. We have followed all the rules we needed to. The cars lined up they took pace laps. Neither car completed a lap and by the Speedbowl rules we can switch the drivers if we want. One car is wrecked out but the driver completed his first lap in the backup therefore he collects the points he gets in the backup.

This is completely absurd but at the same time it is completely legal right now by the way you want to read the rule.

did anybody see Doug Coby pass every car after starting last and win?

Yes he did.

mod edit: you're right, we'll nip this in the bud since you have no proof of what you are stating to be true. when you have such proof, email it to one of the moderators. have a great day.

[quote="dr diecast"]phsically couldn't drive the car, & was a danger to himself & others. along with the "mental" state of the catering company/manure field ill use the word loosely "race director" & or owner to allow it to happen. see what kind of b/s happens this week w/a mandatory/debris caution. imagine if "dmv" was still at the track or if "nazicar" would allow him to "pace" the field[/
What, you think that the track needs to throw out the caution for some bs reason? Look what happened last week. As long as the 87 starts in the front somewhere there will be a wreck early again.